oh what a surprise, an entry about diaries themselves. will erik continue to amaze the lazy, tickle the bored, and bring tears to the eyes of babies? just wait til you get a look at this line-up!
the kids wonder why they're born dead, straight from cleveland!
i think that's just about the best piece of literature i've ever read. plain beautiful.
and here's a conversation with my mentor, it's not even that difficult of a riddle to figure out who's saying what:
>of course you don't have a humble opinion of yourself.
> it would be ridiculous to even think otherwise.
good, i'm glad you see it that way too. amazing isn't the best description i can offer. you're driving a hard bargain. don't make me pull out the word, "fantabulous." oh boy, these words are so fickle fackle dead on a rackle.
Ah, I dug it up.
Very interesting. Interesting that he would credit you without doubt for a feat you think you aren't capable of doing when he always seems to think he understands . Interesting that an identity can be stolen so
easily. I don't think it's as interesting that you don't know if you could have bested me as me, because that makes sense. Unless you truly knew me better than I know myself (quite tough to do from merely a net-based
perspective), and then at that point I feel like we've landed in a philosophical mess.
>>Addressing it as a "simple game" is a questionable method of truly taking
>>credit for it. So was it really a good, creative and shit thing?
>
>it was good, i don't know if it was as creative for you since you were just
>being you -- unless you were pretending to be me pretending to be you, which
>would be creative, but only if you pulled it off. i can't tell. it just
>sounds like you to me.
>is there actually a point when people become so
>dysfunctional they don't know they are dysfunctional?
>isnt that called mentally unstable(crazy?)? I, for
>one, don't want to ever cross that line. and is that
>the case for all things? do you ever become so smart
>you stop realizing you're smart? or so mean you stop
>realizing you're mean? i doubt that.
there is a point where we are so deep into something that we forget we're even in it. yes, it is called mentally unstable, but it's also called being crazy, being smart, being mean, rather than just trying to be in this world where we can try to be anything. i want to ultimately be the adjectives i now just imitate.
What you read is true truth, it all happened, and whatnot. However, I made sure I bit myself (note the opening) and did my typical things, like link back to myself and do "note to self" type stuff -- things I find myself repeating
often, things I figured you would catch on to and assimilate. The nun image was something I made sure I harped on more than I would normally since it could be read into in so many ways and you have told your own stories in "i, soandso" (Sheepish, at least) entries and certainly are one for religious (Christian) overtones, so I was just lucky to run into a nun, and one thing led to another.
>also good use of putting whatnot in there, to make me
>realize how silly and trite it sounded? useless even?
Since you are probably the diary I link most often, I made sure I got a "no meta-content" (not to mention meta-meta-content) remark in as a final zing. So really, I don't know if I was you being me (perhaps partially, but not with a fine tooth comb), but I was doing what I think you do in your "i, whoever" entries while still telling what happened to me and what I was thinking about it. With that in mind, my guess is that it was probably somewhat creative, but it left a lot open to you in that department.
>the creative part is really what i did (or didn't do). it would've been
Where "didn't do" is "not deny doing it?" I think it would have been really creative to have gone the extra Diaryland-head-fucking route and written an "i, jordan" entry in your diary discussing how you went about
creating this super-accurate rendition.
>creative if i did it cause it would've been creating something in
>jordan-esque langue without actually being jordan-esque. being, in itself,
>is not creative. anyway. but it was good.
I agree about being. Thanks. It's unfortunate that you stopped doing those entries, the concept was good. But you are also right in that people seemed to not really think much about them (or whatever it is that would have given you return pleasure).
>Certainly you don't think of yourself as someone so
>one dimensional they can't accept cruelty as a part of
>who they are. You're in it for the money.
you're right. i'm cruel and i know it, but it's not cruelty really in the true sense of the word -- or maybe there is no true sense of the word. there is the complicated sense and the simple sense. and i'm trying to get away from the simple sense.
the money part may be the single value indicator available to us and i already make more money than i know what to do with. the next step in my money career would be the point where i had enough to retire and travel and write for the rest of my life. until then, i'll be pretty much living the same life that i'm living now. i don't want a house, i don't want two cars, i don't want slaves and junk cluttering up my living room.
>I don't think you necessarily want
>people to dislike you, i really don't know what you
>want. maybe you want people to like you for your
>whole self, including the times that you are mean?
hm. i don't know if it's quite that. i want people to like me enough to challenge me, to see that i'm worth a challenge, and to dare me to go one step further than i've gone before. i'm running with a wheelbarrow in my hands, wanting you to run alongside me even faster, forcing me to catch up. then, i'll give you the wheelbarrow. and i'll race alongside you and do the same. we need to go faster and farther than we would by ourselves.
>Where "long time" is...? Why is it that my being a boy ties into my being
>on the sidelines (as the "so" implies)? If I were a girl, would that
>change things?
with your first and second email i pictured you to be a boy, until the end of the second with your name. that may have potentially hurt the conversation.
>haha you didn't hurt the conversation, but i feel like i'm taking
>the quiz now. am i going to be amazing enough? am i making any
>sense? your writing is more concise, should i edit? am i being
>boring? i am boring as Hell.
>>Must we be recognized for our work?
>
>sure, why not? are you that modest really.
Alright, I admit that statement has its bullshit factor, but I don't think the online diary should be done for recognition if one wants to get the most out of it. Most of the time it just ends up getting you in "real
life" hot water when you shoot your mouth off about your journal to people you actually know in the interest of accelerating recognition. Here you are afforded a practically blank slate from which to garner reactions and -- as you well know -- perform social experiments.
>like art, interesting. i guess it's sort of performance art. social experiments,
>as your friend calls them.
>and here's what you can do with the million billion: buy yourself Beautiful,
>either for your own face or just to feed your eyes. buy yourself
>distractions and illusions instead of working so hard to make them
>yrself.
So then I suppose it comes down to how much you care about whoever it is that cares to complement you, and how much you close the distance. Complements are nice; complements with context (this seems to be tangential to the objects and meaning thread all of a sudden) are more meaningful. Online communications tend to have poor contexts since all you get is what the other person chooses to give you (we can't rewrite running into each other on the bus, but we sure can revise our emails), and Diaryland is no exception. I think the next entry I write will have something about natural and unnatural interactions. We were all part of this transition as the net came into existence; it wasn't a presence there at the beginning for us as it is now for the next generations. So when will people find this "natural," if ever? Now I feel like I should be writing in Doja as I did here
>>Why do you feel compelled to always
>>talk about how you are doing your diary for others (even if you
>>aren't really)? What if you stopped trying to make the reader wonder how
>>trustworthy a narrator you are and instead just narrated?
>
>that would imply that there's value in narration, and that the narrator
>values the events, the story, more than the fabric that makes up the story,
>the person that tells the story. i want the person, the people, the fear,
>the the the. i don't necessarily want to narrate, what i want to do is kick
>people, like you do.
why do i poke people? if you were a kid in a kindergarten room and everyone was asleep on their little blue mats but you had had a triple shot mocha and were from out of town and the teachers had died, wouldn't you want to kick and poke and punch the people until they were awake and forced to leave their smiley dreams and see the dead teachers? maybe not. but that's just me.
I think it's like this: a good story is pulp, and good fabric needs a framework (and either needs to be very good when standing alone). But if you have a good story of good fabric -- then you've got something, and your
narration is worth something outside of just telling tales. Your Kingdome lying business (I hesitate to call it a story or narration) is a good proof of your point about narration, however. I respect that, but I think the
problem is that you can only go on so long saying "Check out how tricky I am" before the act collapses (you seem to be aware of this too).
But you want to kick people. That's too easy. You could kick people all day long without putting any thought into it. And making people.dl and a nice CGI diary and all of this does not speak of someone not putting thought into things. So what is it you really want to do? Do you mean "kick people into waking up?"
>you
>don't write about personal issues so nothing is taken
>on a personal level. and when you are mean you do it
>with style and wit and everybody loves someone with
>style and wit, don't they? They think it's Great.
Great. what exactly is Great? saving mankind from their sin? inventing the lightbulb? providing man the means to discover and find anything they want to buy online? revolting? writing anna karenina? helping the poor? raising the value of the buck? what the hell is it? I can't think of a single Great thing.
it appears that they do like it though. it is sort of strange how i have people that don't like me, but no real enemies -- people who try to hurt me and be better than me in any blatant way. the people that don't like me merely think i'm a waste of time and effort and leave me alone. it probably gives me a false sense of self since i spend much more around people that like me even though there are fewer of them. enemies are the silent majority.
>>As for hate, I'd
>>like to know what you think of me on that subject: does what I write
>>indicate that I hate like you do?
>
>nope. but you are detached, disinterested, like me. leads to hate, you
>know.
We're so passionately disinterested. What is up with that? We talk and think an awful lot for people that don't care -- if that's really the truth of the matter, regardless of what we tell ourselves or others. How does
your diary change your life, really?
>I don't remember asking you to let your guard down?
>keep it up if you like. i will allow you to stay in
>control of the flow of the conversations, so that when
>you are fed up with me and want to be mean we can make
>it an easy and painless process and you can keep your
>guard up the whole time because i will only take
>things as far as you do.
don't you see -- if you let me control the flow of the conversation it WILL fall apart and self-destruct. that's where my things always end up -- my bonzai tree, my pet oscar, my people pages, etc -- and if you want to make yourself vulnerable, or at least feel like you are, you have to put something into this conversation, even drive its direction, as you have already been doing. i don't even think you meant what you said above. is it a trap? a simple trick? laziness on your part? whatever it was, take it back.
coming next: something creative and blatantly non-controversial.
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